different authorities. so for the-- and this, also, they answered to different parts of congress who, you know, are trying to do the oversight. so an outsider as a reporter trying to figure out what is the difference, why are there these parallel programs is quite difficult? >> jon: is it like glengarry glenn ross, where they're like, you have to kill more people. the guy who comes in second gets steak knives, third is fired. are they competing with each other? there's an acknowledgment right now i think in the obama administration that the system is way too haphazard. and what has evolved over the last 11-plus years has evolved on the fly, and they're trying to work up on the some sort of, sort of rules, to sort of determine for the future, and as president obama said on this show, we need rules to restrain me, and restrain future presidents from being sort of seduced by secret war.